tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post6108273571497208039..comments2023-06-09T11:52:06.321-04:00Comments on Hoopinion: Mavericks 111 Hawks 103 (OT)Bret LaGreehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000566742639583055noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-31106474921599185042010-03-01T20:55:11.863-05:002010-03-01T20:55:11.863-05:00It is a technical foul in the nba for the coach to...It is a technical foul in the nba for the coach to come that far out on the floor during the game, right? regardless of the contact or lack thereof.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12801945748289587415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-57867492673331548562010-02-28T15:23:22.153-05:002010-02-28T15:23:22.153-05:00We could probably argue this forever, unfortunatel...We could probably argue this forever, unfortunately. But in the end it doesn't matter at all what Kidd's intentions were; until he actually breaks a rule he is in the clear--intent counts for nada. Woodson had clearly broken a rule (whether one that gets called often or not) he was still technically in bounds (in the air trying to get back) when Kidd came by. It comes down to who broke a rule first, and the answer there is obviously Woodson, which is it was the right call, and not that hard of a call to make. Kidd gets all the "credit" for taking the risk that the call got made his way, deserved or not, because his action was just as risky and possibly as stupid as Woodson's.rbubphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14995614356146242348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-49338446465779420522010-02-28T10:41:36.279-05:002010-02-28T10:41:36.279-05:00rbubp --
I've no argument that Woodson needle...rbubp --<br /><br />I've no argument that Woodson needlessly created the opportunity nor that he was given a technical for breaking the rule regarding the coach's box.<br /><br />The difference, though, between this situation and the other X,000 times a year a coach is out of the coach's box and <i>not</i> T'd up is Kidd creating the contact and in order to create the contact, Kidd purposely dribbled out-of-bounds.<br /><br />It's unclear if Kidd's right foot touches the sideline on the half-step before he puts his left arm into Woodson. It's clear Kidd's next step falls out of bounds. We can blame that on the contact or not, but, the key action in my mind is Kidd getting his <i>right</i> foot so close or onto the <i>left</i> sideline 28 feet from the basket. That's unnatural. He didn't need that space (and still had to extend the left arm to draw contact) to play basketball. He only needed it in the pursuit of a point.<br /><br />A point that was possibly unnecessary as I think the other 52:59 of the game demonstrated that neither Kidd nor his team really needed to go to such lengths to beat the Hawks.Bret LaGreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000566742639583055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-24957556785922989422010-02-28T09:21:48.948-05:002010-02-28T09:21:48.948-05:00I may be the only person in Hawks Nation who feels...I may be the only person in Hawks Nation who feels this way--I certainly was over at Peachtree Hoops--but I agree with several others here that this was on Woodson. You cannot give Kidd a penalty for dribbling fast, or for dribbling in the direction of the coach, and Woodson was NOT clearly out of bounds--he was jumping back, while Kidd definitely, clearly was IN bounds at the time. <br /><br />Then the ball stopped. The refs had to call something because the play was now dead. What are they going to call? Kidd tried to push Woodson because Woodson was illegally on the court, even though Kidd has a right to that space? <br /><br />Woodson should have seen where the ball was and known to get the hell out of the way. It was truly an idiot move on his part. A jerk move on Kidd's part, sure, but he never should have had the chance.rbubphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14995614356146242348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-42361844507598309712010-02-27T20:14:08.067-05:002010-02-27T20:14:08.067-05:00I'm not a hawks fan, but as a fan of basketbal...I'm not a hawks fan, but as a fan of basketball the play was terrible form. Perhaps Woodson should have been given a technical for being on the court, but intentionally running into a non participant (who at the time appeared to be off the floor) is not in the spirit of the game and is potentially dangerous.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06346228074011060547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-17366545415304472312010-02-27T14:32:57.715-05:002010-02-27T14:32:57.715-05:00The Mavericks got the call and won the game, right...The Mavericks got the call and won the game, right?Bret LaGreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000566742639583055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-13638029499425785092010-02-27T14:14:24.610-05:002010-02-27T14:14:24.610-05:00MonsieurKovacs got it exactly, the situation wasn&...MonsieurKovacs got it exactly, the situation wasn't about Jason Kidd making contact with Woodson while he was on the court, it was about Kidd making the refs aware of the fact that Woodson was on the court in the first place, which should have been an automatic T. Just because the Refs don't actually give out Ts in a lot of these similar situations, doesn't mean that it wasn't an offense and shouldn't have drawn a Technical. I'm sure Woodson will learn from his mistakes and never leave his Coache's box again.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01533316425026804550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-7878814337878997252010-02-27T13:42:42.480-05:002010-02-27T13:42:42.480-05:00As Hollinger pointed out, Woodson was out of the c...As Hollinger pointed out, Woodson was out of the coaching box. It should've been a technical in any case, Kidd just made sure the refs notice. If Woodson had been in the coaching box and Kidd stiff-armed him and got the call, that would be one thing. But Woodson broke the rules, deserved a technical, and Kidd was smart enough to make sure everyone in the arena knew it. That is smart basketball.MonsieurKovacshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02686267167904013112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-59856760528719142752010-02-27T13:11:26.372-05:002010-02-27T13:11:26.372-05:00Ethan, it's very questionable whether Woodson ...Ethan, it's very questionable whether Woodson was still on the court. And Kidd didn't run into him, he threw a forearm into his body. Kidd not only didn't run into him, he <b>attempted</b> to run into him from several feet distant, failed because Woodson was getting out the way, and made contact anyway with his arm.<br /><br />It's like Reggie Miller trying to bait someone into fouling, failing, then kicking the guy and falling down to get the call anyway.Bronnthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11706422637764110117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-62495353335842217272010-02-27T13:01:52.397-05:002010-02-27T13:01:52.397-05:00100% with ethan. If a player had strayed from his ...100% with ethan. If a player had strayed from his position, the coach would soon rip into him for it. The coach strayed; he got in trouble. Anyone who cries about Kidd's move is whitewashing Woodson's mistake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-30357802272654621872010-02-27T11:52:34.295-05:002010-02-27T11:52:34.295-05:00Woodson was on the court.
A savvy player touched ...Woodson was on the court.<br /><br />A savvy player touched him while he was on the court.<br /><br />You don't want savvy players to make that move?<br /><br />THEN TELL YOUR COACHES TO STAY THE FUCK OFF THE COURT.<br /><br />Yeah, Kidd is a big ol' cheater. Moron.ethanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16075166600147959731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-23332330058421354712010-02-27T11:14:51.018-05:002010-02-27T11:14:51.018-05:00I'd already used up my ranting for the week on...I'd already used up my ranting for the week on the T-Wolves game and the Ilgauskas hope. Yours was better than I'd have managed on this topic and I'm grateful to have had the opportunity to quote it. Please enjoy the rest of your vacation.Bret LaGreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000566742639583055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-72960312004489847472010-02-27T11:12:33.921-05:002010-02-27T11:12:33.921-05:00Well Bret, I chose to only focus on the Jason Kidd...Well Bret, I chose to only focus on the Jason Kidd event because I knew you other bloggers would thoroughly break down all of the reasons we lost. I probably could have left that cheap shot out of there, but I was mad. I'm on vacation and Mike Woodson tried to ruin it. What a jerk. It must be pointed out that Josh Smith is the straw that stirs the drink. At some point he's going to have to have an absolute tantrum in front of the guards to get this point across. I'm disappointed for him that his stat line was wasted. I'm getting to the point where I'm just expecting these collapses. We all might as well accept that the guards care not where their bread is actually buttered. They're going to do what they want to do until someone takes that option away from them.CoCohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03580418511916359036noreply@blogger.com