tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post5750176692990101874..comments2023-06-09T11:52:06.321-04:00Comments on Hoopinion: Marvin Williams v. Caron ButlerBret LaGreehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000566742639583055noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-46402748061299630752009-06-18T19:19:37.724-04:002009-06-18T19:19:37.724-04:00I've got a soft spot for ol' Duck Butt. I&...I've got a soft spot for ol' Duck Butt. I'd like to see him succeed, but that won't happen as long as Woody's content to let JJ heave up 20 footers with 5 seconds left on the shot clock.<br />As Bret's mentioned in several posts, those two games where Joe was out and Marvin became a primary scoring option, he was an absolute monster at driving to the rack. I remember watching those games thinking "Where the hell is this guy the other 80 games this year?"<br />His injuries are a concern, but he's got undeniable talent. Like I tell folks, Carolina doesn't win that 2005 national title without him being there for that tip-in on the missed Felton (McCants?) free throw at the end of the game. He's amazing natural ability.<br />Somebody just needs to unlock it.jrauchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03064708627368143691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-10937758305867352652009-06-18T19:02:14.769-04:002009-06-18T19:02:14.769-04:00Those numbers are surprisingly similar. And the f...Those numbers are surprisingly similar. And the funny thing is that it took nearly two full seasons of playing without Gilbert Arenas for people to start recognizing just how good Caron Butler really is.<br /><br />I have a feeling that Marvin may not be appreciated while he's on the same team as Joe JohnsonBronnthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11706422637764110117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-83243175385168513372009-06-18T15:40:04.529-04:002009-06-18T15:40:04.529-04:00Excellent point, jrauch.Excellent point, jrauch.rbubphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14995614356146242348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-10372642419222343272009-06-18T14:48:08.523-04:002009-06-18T14:48:08.523-04:00I think part of Marvin's problem, as a young p...I think part of Marvin's problem, as a young player, is that he has no real vocal veterans on the team to emulate.<br />With the exception of Al and Josh (for drastically different reasons), everybody's a shrinking violet.<br />Not that we need Kevin Garnett causing Glen Davis to cry on the sidelines, but we need someone to call guys out and keep guys motivated.<br />Marvin's clearly never going to be "the guy" on a team, but he could be an excellent second or third option, a la Odom.<br />He's just a follower without a leader right now.jrauchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03064708627368143691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-9497310615654652472009-06-18T14:37:39.180-04:002009-06-18T14:37:39.180-04:00Great article and analysis. Bradley's Hawks w...Great article and analysis. Bradley's Hawks writing this week has been way off base. My only worry about Marvin is that the fire and defensive intensity only showed up this year, because it was a contract year.Jack Benderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04426652291085371480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-49106224758238237972009-06-18T09:24:07.542-04:002009-06-18T09:24:07.542-04:00I don't think Bradley knows what defense is.
...I don't think Bradley knows what defense is. <br /><br />Marvin is the Hawks' version of Lamar Odom, a guy who can do many things and willingly does things that do not show up in the stat sheet because he's a team player. I too would like to see him get more plays, because he frankly developed into the Hawks' most consistent low-post option last year --at least until Horford's game gets a bit more consistent. <br /><br />But Bradley seems to think that hogging the ball is asserting oneself. Marvin Williams did leave an imprint on games; it was just not the one Bradley was looking for. What can you say for a guy who mentions "Flip Murray" and "point guard" in the same sentence without using "not"?<br /><br />Caron Butler. Pshaw. The coach and JJ have to want to share the ball more, not some other second-tier player who takes it away. <br /><br />Trade away your youth at your peril in the NBA..rbubphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14995614356146242348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-65634579138135961082009-06-17T16:31:19.646-04:002009-06-17T16:31:19.646-04:00Let's not forget defense. Butler doesn't p...Let's not forget defense. Butler doesn't play it, while Williams is arguably our best guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-21589295762992194242009-06-17T12:25:27.733-04:002009-06-17T12:25:27.733-04:00I like to think that if Rick Sund were planning to...I like to think that if Rick Sund were planning to make personnel decisions regarding a 23-year-old based on Mike Woodson's predilections he would have extended Woody. I think the Tyson Chandler trade (from Chicago to New Orleans) demonstrates the downside of trading a young player whose talents a certain coach fails to maximize. Less than a year-and-a-half later, Chicago didn't have Skiles and were paying more for a guy eight years older than Chandler to play less effective basketball.<br /><br />I may also be placing undue importance on those two games Joe Johnson missed where Marvin got to the line 38 times <i>but</i> those two games represented 12.5% of Atlanta's road wins on the year <i>and</i> Marvin didn't even shoot well over the two games.Bret LaGreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000566742639583055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8912756.post-69457403005555915192009-06-17T12:08:56.378-04:002009-06-17T12:08:56.378-04:00I think there's one angle to this that leans t...I think there's one angle to this that leans this trade in Caron Butler's favor...Mike Woodson! We both know that Mike isn't coaching to the talents of the team, so I do believe this would be in the best interests of a Mike Woodson led Hawks team while not being in the interests of the collective talent for the Hawks organization. <br /><br />So, if Mike's my coach - I want Caron Butler - a veteran that he's going to trust implicitly and who he's going to spend more time trying to design something for (or not) vs. what we've seen him do with the young players on the team to date. So, I'm all for the deal - even the Acie for Javaris swap as long as he plays Javaris every night. If he trusts Javaris as much as he trusts Acie, then ...oh nevermind.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16838862137960043254noreply@blogger.com